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Thanks for sharing, Varg, I enjoy hearing about your own personal experiences and connection with shamanism. I am curious as to what titles "Mary" has picked out to watch. Also, just wanted to comment as a fellow shaman, I see that you understand the importance of knowing 'what is mine and what isn't'. It's at the basis of maker self-healing and reclaiming personal power - to understand one's self so well that you know where you end and other things begin sounds simple but it's not an easy task to accomplish. Looking forward to the beginning and end stories. L

Well, it's sounding more like your mannequin came to you without anything attached. Your yearning for a daughter could very well have created an opening for 'something' to take hold in her. It's possible that through some of the shamanic work you do, you created an opportunity for possession to happen as well. And although when we desire something and create an opening or otherwise invite something in, even thought we may wish for something that is completely benign, we can't completely control what we get when we make those openings. It sounds like you did pretty good with it though, except for the occasional acts of jealousy or somewhat malicious behavior, considering you could have ended up with Chucky, lol. As far as why you see her moving but the camera doesn't, I really don't have a good answer other than cameras record actual physical movements but not energetic ones except on occasion. I'm thinking that it is your own perception seeing her energy expressed as physical movement, still very 'real' but not the type that gets recorded on film. If she starts to move around your house from one spot to another, I would think you would be able to catch something on camera - hopefully. Thanks for sharing, it's an interesting story.

Hi again, I took a look at it and from what I saw, it looks like your mannequin may have come to you with and energy attached. I also feel that over the years, you have become attached to her and have probably fed some of your energy to her, which further developed her presence. The question I have is, 'how did you come about acquiring her?' It feels like there is a story there as well and maybe a clue to how the original energy got attached. The aspect of the mannequin that is malicious, the cutting and hostile energy does not feel like 'yours.' It is perhaps being protective and does not seem to be too extreme. So, can you tell me a little more about how you came to have the mannequin in your possession? Thanks

Of course, Vargtid, it's very understandable that you've never heard of the makers, which you are probably learning why from the older posts but our tradition has been off the radar for about 600 years now and prior to that, it looked different, it was more like traditional shamanism. Understood on your commitment, Makers have a commitment to the tradition too but I'm glad you are open to learning more, I think it helps us all to keep learning and sharing between traditions. If you have a site that you could share about your tradition, I would appreciate it although it might not stay due to forum rules/restrictions on posts leading off this forum. Let me know if you have any questions. Lorrie

Just going to jump in here with my opinion. Although we Makers agree that there are general symbols and ways of interpreting energetic communication that often transcribe the same meaning across different individual human experiences with them, we've found that people are so individual in how they process information through their own window of perception that we encourage people to create their own catalog of meaning of their experiences. So, one symbol may mean something for you and something else for me. We may both see the same woman in the white dress walking slowly up the hill yet pull different meaning from it. Or, we may see different imagery with the same meaning. You may see a woman in a white dress walking slowly uphill and I may see a man dressed as a preacher struggling to pull a cart uphill or through mud and yet we might receive the same meaning from it based on our personal history and energetic makeup. That description is really oversimplifying it but I hope you see where I'm going with it. So in the maker tradition, which most of the people here on this forum are part of, we don't have a huge shared catalogue of interpretational images or symbols that we reference, although we do have some. Instead, we strive to create our own personal libraries of meaning as they tend to be more accurate in the long run.

Thanks for sharing, Vargtid, it's very interesting and seems to have a lot of different things going on energetically. I want to take a little time to collect my thoughts on it and will post back but wanted you to know it has been read.

I don't think you have to be completely substance or ally free of any sort when you recap. I never worried about having coffee while recapping. In fact, since it was a regular habit, to not have it would make me feel off and distracted. Coffee/tea/cigarettes/cbd, I think they would all be fine to have in your system while you recap. but I would draw the line at stronger substances like alcohol, marijuana etc. I would be careful using allies that claim to have the power to end addiction. I don't know much about Iboga but it seems to have a lot of risks associated with its use. My feeling on Iboga or other substances promising healing from addiction, is that a) you can do it without them and b) they probably can help but I think once you aren't using them, it would be harder not to slip back into your old ways than if you did it without them. You can find out what you've agreed to by using the recap. exercise. Find when you first used the substance, if that is fuzzy or it was just on a whim then find when you first felt like you were 'hooked' on it. Recap your life at that time, why did you choose to try the drug? What did it do for you that helped you? That is where the agreement was made, it did something - took away pain - gave you something - energy - a sense of well being - and you agreed to take it so it would keep doing that for you. And yes, you can renegotiate. It is an agreement, it is doing something for you and you are keeping it alive by using it. Think of how much more marijuana is in the world today than 50 years ago, it has done well. Even though both parties are involved in the agreement, you really have the upper hand because you are the one that controls when and how much you use it. So you can renegotiate by threatening to stop or you can set a specific use/intent for use that is less than you are using now if you want to ease back or you can set a baseline that you would be happy with. So you will have to be able to resist the temptation to use it outside your new plan. So, if you say, I will use "x' once a week on Saturdays for relaxation, then you will have to forgo using it to relax the other days or whatever schedule you come up with but then on Saturday, you should allow yourself to use 'x' and keep your word/agreement - don't renege because you feel like you could skip it, it's about keeping the new agreement . Just like you said, the allies backed off when you told them you would use them for life, they usually will back off when you set a time and place and keep your word, they will back off on the in between times. A key thing to note here is that you are switching back from 'needing' to use them to 'wanting' to use them. I don't think this would work for all substances, especially the newer ones that seem to be very insidious. If you think of allies as any other living thing, they want to live and procreate. They give you some insight into the universe that is harder to do without them and you help them procreate. Ayahuasca used to be a very obscure plant ally. Now there are whole tourist industries built around giving people an experience with it, it also has procreated well. Besides the agreement aspect of working with an ally, makers don't use psychedelics for growth and insight into life and energetic realms. When you take a substance like Ayahuasca, it does deliver you a vision, but you are essentially looking at life through its eyes and not purely your own. Makers prefer to see clearly without the looking through the shades of others' visions. It's not because we don't trust them, there are many beneficial allies out there, it's just that we want to stand on our own 'two square feet of space' and engage with the world from our space and not from someone or something else's. So the problem makers have with unnecessary drug use is not about getting looked down on, we are already looked down on for being different . It's simply that we want all our energy at our disposal and engaging with unnecessary drugs takes energy to maintain and we work so hard to regain the energy that we do have.

Hi UnknownPatterns, First of all, welcome! You've asked a number of questions, I'm going to try an answer two of them: 1) My long term goal is getting rid of them completely. ("them"=allies/various substances) 2) I know how to function with the drugs in my life, and if I can keep it up for just 1-3 years I'll likely be in a place where it's way easier to cut back. What's a shamanistic perspective on this? Can substances and their allies be of some use to me in my situation.? The short answer to 1) is, "probably not completely." Generally, for most allies, once you've hooked up with them, it's a permanent connection. However, you can control that connection/relationship to the degree that it is essentially not an issue and you are basically rid of it, in the sense of it being a strong influence on your life. The best way to gain that level of control over your allies is to "simply" heal yourself - the ally is in your life because there was something in need of healing in your energy that caused you to reach out for help. So, it's simple but not necessarily easy. It will require doing a lot of self-healing work where you recover energy that you've got tied up in connections to possibly the past trauma and illness you mentioned. It can take some time to work through all that but it is definitely worth the effort as you will recover your energy and it is a permanent healing, not just a patch. The short answer to 2) is, "maybe". Shamans do use allies and work with them for various purposes. The key is that there is an 'agreement' with the allies and it needs to be done consciously in a way that you know what you will be giving in this arrangement and you know what you will be receiving for giving up part of your energy. There is a cost to your energy when working with allies. So, if you entered an agreement with an ally when you were in a state of despair or in a moment of weakness, it's not ideal. Another thing to consider is that allies don't want to give up the hold they have on your energy. So do you think in 1-3 years when you're ready, that the ally isn't going to try and convince you to continue? So from a shamanic perspective, allies can and are used to get to certain desired ends. But they are not for everyone and one needs to carefully consider the cost before one enters an agreement with an ally. Since you are already in agreement with certain substance allies, your best course of action is to reduce your dependence or sense of need on them to a level that is something you can live with. And again, to do this will require self-healing, for makers, that is the recapitulation process- recovering energy tied up in memory, recovering past intents, stalking the self - understanding who you are and what makes you the way you are.

Hello Dreamz, You are in the right place, there are many mentors here, lots of people who are seeking freedom to live a life of their own choosing. We teach the maker tradition here, which has lived apart but 'in' society for hundreds of years. Below are a couple links that show the current beginner classes being offered this coming session. The best part is that you don't need to travel, you can do this remotely. If you have any questions about them, let me know. https://www.shamanscave.com/ https://www.shamanscave.com/classes/online-classes

Hi, I hate to come back with a response of..." you would need to take a class here for us to show you how to properly journey" but that is the case. There are reasons for that beyond it being 'proprietary' information. The biggest reason concerns what you brought up yourself above about going overboard with risky stuff in the past. We move at. what many people would think, a slow pace here but there are good reasons for it. Being self-healed is the primary reason we don't jump in to deep journeying right away in classes here, because we try to get you self-healed to where you are detached enough and have eliminated your emotional 'hooks' to the point that you aren't susceptible or an easy target for certain energies out there. The other way we help prepare people for journeying 'systematically' through classes here is by training students to become aware of and learn how to control different aspects of their energy like their awareness, perception and dreaming energy. If you better understand how these energies work within you and you develop control over your intent and will, now you've got some skills and better control over your journeying and also a lot more personal power in that you can move better to wherever and whenever you want. Regarding guides and power animals, the makers differ from most other traditions (if not all that are teaching publicly) in that we do not teach how to work with power animals or guides. Students are welcome to use them if they want but we focus on teaching how to work with energy directly, which sounds a little bit what might be happening in your "message from on high." Basically, makers work with energy directly from 'source.' Sorry I can't provide you with journeying instructions but these are the reasons. Lorrie

Hi Bluerat, We don't do soul retrieval healings per se, we have a different way of working with that type of healing. However, I think you might benefit from doing some grounding work on yourself. The easiest way to do this is to literally connect with the earth, sit on the ground beneath a tree or somewhere. If that isn't an option and you have access to rocks outside, find some that feel agreeable with you and bring them home, sit with them, ask them to help ground you. You can also try eating some root vegetables - carrots, potatoes, etc. as they can have a grounding effect. I would try some of these methods and see if they help. If it doesn't, come back and we'll try something else but it should help. Lorrie

Hi Hummingbird, Welcome! I love your user name. You can change your profile picture by going to your account drop down arrow and choose Profile and then just click on the photo button and you should be able to upload an image.

Sure, let us know if it works.

@kim Unfortunately, I don't know if Northi did or not, we have not heard back from them yet.

Hi Lunarat, Welcome! As Alex has said, we do have our own healing group here that has been trained in the maker healing method. But you are welcome to post any questions or respond to any of the topics that you would like. We are also starting up a new class session in the next week or so, if you are interested in learning more about our tradition. Lorrie

Yes - almost. When you realize you are in the dream, instead of engaging in the narrative, use the breath and head turning to recover the energy, the emotional energy in the dream. Let's say the emotion is shame. Focus on the triggering event and 'inhale' the energy of that, the shame or whatever emotion or mixture of emotions are there. Inhale it as you turn your head to the left and then pause and exhale all that out with the intention of recovering 'what is yours and releasing anything that is not yours.' Repeat that until the memory has no emotional pull to it. "I would say that the experience of the drama brings my focus to this narrative and without it I wouldn't know what to focus on. I didn't clarify in my first post that the intention to go into the nature of my relationship with my mother wasn't my intention for the meditation I did. My intention was to heal myself of depression. Then this experience came up in my dreaming." Right, this is what can happen when you intend to self-heal, your energy starts to show you all the ways, all the threads that are connected to that intent to heal. Your task as a recapper, whether in dreaming or on the awake side, is to track down all those threads and start recovering the energy of what shows up for you because somehow, it's connected although it may not be obvious at first. So, it looks like there may be a connection with your depression and your relationship with your mother. If you recover the energy from the experiences with your mother, other things will probably show up in your continued intent to work on depression. It can get quite complex and tanglds but you can get through it all and recover everything connected with your depression. The beautiful thing about this practice is that once you recover all of the connections, it will truly be healed and should not return. (Although learned patterns from depression can try to reassert themselves but that's another thing and is easier to deal with).

Hi Tipt, Yes you can recap in dreaming and in fact, it's usually very effective if you can mange it because a lot of our repressed emotions and memories are stored on the dreaming side, this is where the go. I like what you are doing with the meditation ceremony with intention, the only thing I would change is that as you are focusing on the experiences, instead of exploring the drama, use the breath and head turning movement of the basic recap exercise to take out the emotional energy from those memories, repeat the process until they are 'just' memories. You will definitely know when you've accomplished this because when you recall them, they won't have the same pull that they always have and you will find your life adjusting accordingly. With regards to the makers recapping in dreaming, the process is actually the basic exercise (or other ones learned here) that are done while you are asleep and dreaming. It requires you to realize you are dreaming and have the awareness to start the recap process within a sleep dream. So, it's a little tricky to manage sometimes and there are other ways to get at the emotions in memories but it can be very effective because you are working with the place where they have been stored.

Um, AbusedBella, you say you've done your research on this, how did you research? Google doesn't count!

Yes exactly, rare in the sense that everything is possible but it's probably not likely, it could happen but that would be a very unusual event involving a very rarely encountered entity and you would probably 'know' if that happened. As far as re-inserting the piece and reintegration, actually, the act of retrieving it would amount to reintegration. It's 'simply' a matter of acknowledging that it's your energy and you have a right to it, no one or no entity or anything else does - no matter what they might tell you. We don't have public exercise for retrieving the energy but we are about to start two classes that might help if you wanted to go more in depth on the process - Spirals - which deals with how to handle your own intent and retrieve unwanted intents and Recapitulation - which deals with recovering energy from the past. We have the basic Recapitulation exercise on the site here: https://www.shamanscave.com/self-healing/the-recapitulation which you can use to recover energy from memories and emotions connected with losing the energy. The class takes this basic exercise and builds on a number of different ways to energy stuck in your past. So, the biggest questions for you is why did you allow this and what circumstances were involved in creating this situation. This all can be recovered and reintegrated to make your energy more balanced and therefore much less likely to happen again.

Hi Doograham, I'm not familiar with galactic core or perhaps know it by another name, human pool comes to mind. I do know that your energy is rarely, if ever gone forever in this life. Also, negative energies generally can't take your energy without some agreement from you. The good news is that you can intend to take your energy back, how easy that is can depend upon a number of things - the willingness to face your role in giving it away, your acceptance that no one has a right to your energy, it is yours to take back and how much of 'you' you gave away.

Thanks for posting the clip, Vladimir, it speaks across time. Lorrie

Hi Northi, Welcome! If you’d like, feel free to pm me and I’d be happy to help answer the best I can with your questions. While their isn’t an entity that grants wishes that would change your physical appearance ‘like magic,’ there are energies you can work with that can change how you are perceived in the world. To be effective with them long term requires work, mostly on yourself through self healing but it can be done if you are determined enough. Lorrie

Please join niteshad/Gary for an informal discussion on depression. We will be talking about any type of depression that people want to. There is a type of depression that can come with following this path and we will be talking about that too. The chat will be in the public channel: #shamanscave. https://www.shamanscave.com/irc/irc.html You can use the above link to join the chat. We hope to see you there, Lorrie

Welcome, Weary Traveler.

Please join us for an evening chat with Niteshad, the creator of ShamansCave. You can reach the chat here in the shamanscave chat channel: https://www.shamanscave.com/irc/irc.html We've set the chat for Wednesday February 6th at 9:00 PM ET. All questions regarding shamanism and/or ShamansCave or the maker tradition are welcome. All levels of knowledge are welcome, no question is too basic. The chat is intended for: *Anyone curious about shamanism and would like your questions answered *Practitioners of other shamanic traditions that would like to know more about the maker tradition *Current students of Shamanscave who have questions outside of classes We look forward to seeing you there, ShamansCave Admin.