Going Deeper with Stalking

[ArcaneHuman]

Hi all. So I've been stalking on and off for like... 2 or 2.5 years. For me it's mostly a physical process so i'm wondering if i can use something like intent or anything else to get more out of my practice. I'll just describe what stalking looks like for me personally: There are times where i just change simple things like the route I use to walk to the store. But my primary method looks something like this: Snap my finger twice, make a gesture with my hand, tap on my refrigerator door three times, tap my foot, pick up a book, read one sentence, throw it across the room... etc etc. Just odd behaviors. I know it's an important practice for me but i barely know why i'm doing it. I know that i want to break out of imprisoning modes of thinking but beyond that I don't know what i'm trying to achieve. Like... what am I stalking after? Also perhaps noteworthy: While i'm doing it I often find myself repeating a particular action that puzzles me. I just kind of like... shrug my shoulders with my palms facing outward as though to say through body language " Meh..." or "Whatever." I have no idea why this is a repeating theme in my stalking, but i do know that it bares some signifigance.

[Moonshadow]

9 hours ago, ArcaneHuman said:

Like... what am I stalking after?

You're stalking to learn fluidity so that you can act on  the turn of a dime for so many reasons, for yourself and for others. Our habits make it hard to be truly fluid so we stalk ourselves, practice being others, etc. Later, your stalking gets bigger and so do the reasons behind it. Stalking goes nicely with shamanic voice too... I won't rehash the stalking classes, ArcaneHuman, but I want you to look at that pattern you have with shrugging your shoulders: try not doing that- no reason in particular, just because. See what happens.  

Eman

[ArcaneHuman]

Thx.

I'm unfamiliar with Shamanic voice. Is there an article on this? If so can you link me to it or describe it briefly here?

It's frustrating because as much as I stalk... a lot of my patterns are still super ingrained and won't go away. These habits won't die. Like cigarettes for instance as a pertinent example. Am i really changing my patterns just because I stalk if i can't shift the bigger more persistent habits?  If i'm becoming more fluid why are some of my habits so stubborn and crystallized/solidified?

 

[Moonshadow]

Hello again @ArcaneHuman. Let me go looking for some articles later and come back to post them it's morning where I am and I have to run out soon but *nod* we can have such deeply engrained patterns, like to reach for something to make us 'feel better' like ice cream (sugar) or cigarettes but if you think about it they aren't just habits but are also chemical dependencies (like 600+ chemicals depending on what your brand is) so it's a bigger thing to contend with it's got to be a combination of stalking, intent, recap, and lots of will power. So I'm drawing a distinction between the pattern to reach for something, and a habitual dependency on something outside of your own energy.  It can be done- quitting a thing, that us.

Substance habits are big fish, they are things outside of your energy too so you are 'dancing with something else' not just stalking your own energy there needs to be a strategy to quit them, but honestly the desire to quit, the intent and will... *intent is king, will is queen*. We break up areas of teaching online because it's the best way to learn this tradition when it's not in person-- like taking a car engine apart and studying what each piece does, but the whole engine, or the whole areas of the tradition, work together.

So yeah I'd separate quitting smoking from stalking yourself, but use stalking to help yourself quit and stay done. So to answer your question, yes you are changing patterns with stalking (and recap, of course), but substance habits need to be separated from you, or quit- you know what I mean.

I've battled with cigarettes, quit for eleven years (except a smoke here and there with a friend but not until years after quitting)... but they snuck back in during Covid lockdown- just one a day, then it became 5-6. Why? I never fully closed the door, did I? But they are on their way out now. I'd formerly quit with just the great desire to quit + intent/will power and replacing the habit with drinking lots of orange juice and water at first just to give the body mechanics something to reach for at first. I had to stalk why I smoked (my mother did, it also symbolized independence to me in some weird way). I'm pretty fluid now, of course, but I've picked up an old bad habit I thought was gone but the smoke ally was just waiting for that moment to pounce back in... have you learned about Allies yet?

Here's a challenge: I'll quit if you will. We can share notes on stalking the habit out of our energy as well as strategies for letting go of that dopamine hit our brains like when we take a drag.  

e.

 

PS I'll be back later with more on Shamanic Voice and how it intersects with stalking.

[ArcaneHuman]

When you say you're pretty fluid now, what are the markers that one is fluid? I haven't noticed a huge change from stalking these past couple years though it tends to help me in the moment. Maybe because astrologically I'm mostly water? Maybe there are changes I'm overlooking?

As far as allies go, i don't know a whole lot. A very powerful shaman who plays didgeridoo and other native instruments has a song called "Angelic Alliance" and the term seems to speak for itself but I'm sure there's more i could learn about it.

[Moonshadow]

Hello again. Let’s leave Allies for another time I see that you’re still tier one so that comes later.

To be fluid is to be able to move and act in the moment. Act, not react. It is to go where you need to go, be who you need to be, do what you have to do in the moment. Stalking is only a part of the vehicle: it works in tandem with self-healing, intent, and dreaming energy. 
 

If I over explain now, it will become something intellectualized and your mind will take over: I am speaking to your energy. Do you feel it?

It’s such a beautiful day, where I am. The sun is out, the streams are streaming, life is moving.

e.

PS

https://www.shamanscave.com/courses/7-shamanic-will-voice

[ArcaneHuman]

thanks. i'm kind of wondering what class I should take next. I've only taken spirals I. The "shamanic voice" class you linked has a lot more prerequisites listed. And i didn't see a date listed for the start of the class. it just says it's on Wednesdays. do you know if there are any classes starting soon that i should take? 

Edited November 19, 2022 by ArcaneHuman
minor grammatical

[silenceseeker]

6 hours ago, ArcaneHuman said:

thanks. i'm kind of wondering what class I should take next. I've only taken spirals I. The "shamanic voice" class you linked has a lot more prerequisites listed. And i didn't see a date listed for the start of the class. it just says it's on Wednesdays. do you know if there are any classes starting soon that i should take? 

We usually recommend taking Recap I and Spirals I to start out, it starts the self-healing process that will recover personal energy which will help you to do well in the other classes. Quicksilver is a class that would be okay to take starting out but it will touch on some things taught in Spirals, like intent but you've taken Spirals 1 (you must have taken the free version? I can't find the permissions for the spirals forum in your profile so I was wondering, it's still the same class material) so you have some of the needed training that will help you with this class. Shamanic Voice is an end of Tier 1 class so you would definitely need to take several prerequisites before attempting that one, it really relies a lot on material gone over in other classes. I would say the best options are Recap 1, to recover personal energy and heal your past and/or Quicksilver, which you will learn about using the energy of Awareness and Perception, which are the cornerstone practices of the Maker tradition (and really any shamanic tradition) . 

Lorrie

[Moonshadow]

18 minutes ago, silenceseeker said:

We usually recommend taking Recap I and Spirals I to start out, it starts the self-healing process that will recover personal energy which will help you to do well in the other classes.

Crucial.

@ArcaneHuman, Lorrie is pretty much second in command here, guides all student development at Shaman's Cave and is ultimately the best person to ask about what class to take next-- especially since your only class was taken years ago. It all starts with energy retrieval. I will now bow out of this conversation as Lorrie is in touch with the overall picture of who has taken what, it really all starts with the cornerstone classes as she is advising. 

Good luck to you in your upcoming class choice, I hope to see you around.

 

~Eman

[ArcaneHuman]

5 hours ago, silenceseeker said:

you must have taken the free version? I can't find the permissions for the spirals forum in your profile so I was wondering, it's still the same class material) so you have some of the needed training that will help you with this class

Hi Lorrie. Yup. I took the free class. If i'm understanding this correctly, the next Recapitulation 1 class starts on December 18th? Am i understanding that correctly? I've been recapping a lot. I suppose obviously that the class will open new doors and teach me new things about recap (obviously). I'm currently revisiting the logs from my spiral class. I did day 1 yesterday. Since I'm waiting till December if that's the case then is there any other class i can take in the meantime? Also, if i'm doing the looking at intent of the world exercise from class 1 of spirals... i kind of see a void of nothingness behind Everything. I know it's probably pure potentiality but it feels to me a bit like a void.

5 hours ago, Eman said:

Good luck to you in your upcoming class choice, I hope to see you around.

Thank you, Eman

[Moonshadow]

5 hours ago, ArcaneHuman said:

kind of see a void of nothingness behind Everything. I know it's probably pure potentiality but it feels to me a bit like a void.

Oh so you have touched upon the void, have you? Excellent. It’s not nothingness though. Good work. Over time you will find out for yourself what the void is, who knows it might even reach out and look back at you *grin*.

e.

[ArcaneHuman]

2 hours ago, Eman said:

Oh so you have touched upon the void, have you? Excellent. It’s not nothingness though. Good work. Over time you will find out for yourself what the void is, who knows it might even reach out and look back at you *grin*.

e.

i'm easily frightened and that sounds frightening. lol. but you did say good work sooo...

[silenceseeker]

11 hours ago, ArcaneHuman said:

Hi Lorrie. Yup. I took the free class. If i'm understanding this correctly, the next Recapitulation 1 class starts on December 18th? Am i understanding that correctly? I've been recapping a lot. I suppose obviously that the class will open new doors and teach me new things about recap (obviously). I'm currently revisiting the logs from my spiral class. I did day 1 yesterday. Since I'm waiting till December if that's the case then is there any other class i can take in the meantime? Also, if i'm doing the looking at intent of the world exercise from class 1 of spirals... i kind of see a void of nothingness behind Everything. I know it's probably pure potentiality but it feels to me a bit like a void.

Thank you, Eman

Hi Arcane,

As far as the start date of the next Recap class, it's currently set for December 11th with a cut off sign up date of December 18th because we allow people to sign up after the class starts for a week,  maybe two at which point they can still get caught up but after that, there really is a cut off date. That being said, the start date could get pushed back to December 18th if we have low signups and want to give it another week, so it's not set in stone. The class will definitely go a lot deeper into recap than just the basic exercise you see on the site, each week will focus on a new area of recap. so that you can learn different ways to get at recovering energy that's tied up within your energy body. There really isn't a class to fill in that time place, we are working on self-study classes but even if we had them, they would run 7 weeks like a normal class. But you bring up an interesting idea, maybe we should look at some mini-classes on topics that could be covered in a shorter period of time. 

Regarding the spirals exercise, seeing a void of nothingness behind everything is getting close. There definitely is a state of Potential there (we break time down into the Three P's Potential, Possibility and Probability energies but that is a subject taught over a few classes) I think you're close though, you're looking for the pulse that animates all life and everything in the universe and it is in Everything. It's the intent of the universe, it's the intent to live and take that next breath and the intent to know oneself and be who you are. It should feel vast but not so much a void, it is very full of intent.