scrying

[billcu]

I have a small black mirror for scrying and it's very hard to do. There's a virtual scrying mirror online but I don't trust it so much. Is this hard to learn?

 

[Karl]

Hi billcu,

 

For scrying purposes, if you're going to use a mirror, I would try to find a used one at a second hand or antique store. The older the better. Ones from the bathroom are great. You want ones which have seen a lot, been used a lot, if possible.

 

If you can, try to go around and feel each mirror out. A good one will feel very pliable or liquid, easy to move into the energy of it. Dont buy them at a new age store or other new mirrors - the old ones are best. Very old ones, with silver rather than aluminum, are even better.

 

Also, don't buy any with missing pieces or chunks in the actual mirror part. Cracks and scratches are fine, as long as there's no gap.

[ralph]

Hi Billcu,

 

As Karl said, the older, the better. I would add that you're right about not trusting a virtual mirror.

 

These practices are used to redefine your 'reality' so it can't be virtual.

 

Is it hard to learn ? Some people find it easy, others don't. It's a practice, so you have to practice with it and see what happens, you might be surprised.

 

R

[billcu]

Hi billcu,

 

For scrying purposes, if you're going to use a mirror, I would try to find a used one at a second hand or antique store. The older the better. Ones from the bathroom are great. You want ones which have seen a lot, been used a lot, if possible.

 

If you can, try to go around and feel each mirror out. A good one will feel very pliable or liquid, easy to move into the energy of it. Dont buy them at a new age store or other new mirrors - the old ones are best. Very old ones, with silver rather than aluminum, are even better.

 

Also, don't buy any with missing pieces or chunks in the actual mirror part. Cracks and scratches are fine, as long as there's no gap.

 

I already have a mirror. It's a small round black mirror. The thing about these mirrors, do they open you up to negative forces that will lie to you. Such as a ouiji board would if not properly used? What can be used otehr than a mirror?

 

Bill

[Karl]

It's possible to use any tool in a way that makes you vulnerable - usually by doing them in an unsafe manner that's not been indicated by the teacher or instructor. Mirrors and scrying aren't any different in that it's certainly possible.

 

Having said that, it's pretty unlikely, if you're doing scrying the right way. The way you use a mirror for scrying, your awareness moves using the energy of it in a generally safe manner. When you stop using the tool, it should just come back like normal. We teach in classes to work with scrying in small steps, so you get experience without pushing things too far, too quickly.

 

As far as "negative forces" go, self-healing is really much more of a factor than anything scrying related, in my opinion

 

-k

[billcu]

It's possible to use any tool in a way that makes you vulnerable - usually by doing them in an unsafe manner that's not been indicated by the teacher or instructor. Mirrors and scrying aren't any different in that it's certainly possible.

 

Having said that, it's pretty unlikely, if you're doing scrying the right way. The way you use a mirror for scrying, your awareness moves using the energy of it in a generally safe manner. When you stop using the tool, it should just come back like normal. We teach in classes to work with scrying in small steps, so you get experience without pushing things too far, too quickly.

 

As far as "negative forces" go, self-healing is really much more of a factor than anything scrying related, in my opinion

 

-k

 

The thing is of course. I don't know any Shamans or genuine spiritual teachers of the "Dream time" or "Rainbow Bridge" building. Here's a link to that online scrying site. I seem to see a lot of the same tthings. But I don't understand what is being said.

 

http://pjentoft.com/virtual-scrying-mirror.html

 

Bill

[Karl]

I would suggest avoiding anything which mentions a "virtual scrying mirror"

[silenceseeker]

Bill,

 

The virtual scrying mirror will work, you will have to work with it awhile to understand what you see but really what it does is provide your eyes with a place to focus and gives your mind a distraction so that you can access your awareness. A physical scrying mirror works similarly but your getting the added benefit of using the energy of the physical elements that make up the mirror and that you add to it, it adds oomph to the process and also allows you to work with the the energy of those elements if you choose to.

 

Lorrie

[billcu]

Bill,

 

The virtual scrying mirror will work, you will have to work with it awhile to understand what you see but really what it does is provide your eyes with a place to focus and gives your mind a distraction so that you can access your awareness. A physical scrying mirror works similarly but your getting the added benefit of using the energy of the physical elements that make up the mirror and that you add to it, it adds oomph to the process and also allows you to work with the the energy of those elements if you choose to.

 

Lorrie

 

I know I sure can't get nothing out of that small black mirror. The online mirror thing is much easier to use.

[silenceseeker]

Bill,

 

I would say use what works for you but keep an eye out for another mirror. If you come across one that you just like for some unexplained reason, that would be a good one to try and work with, It could just be that the black mirror you're working with isn't conducive to scrying. Although mirrors aren't alive, they have individual qualities to them and when you find a good one it's a great tool to have.

 

Lorrie

[billcu]

Bill,

 

The virtual scrying mirror will work, you will have to work with it awhile to understand what you see but really what it does is provide your eyes with a place to focus and gives your mind a distraction so that you can access your awareness. A physical scrying mirror works similarly but your getting the added benefit of using the energy of the physical elements that make up the mirror and that you add to it, it adds oomph to the process and also allows you to work with the the energy of those elements if you choose to.

 

Lorrie

Can you be a little more in depth?

 

"A physical scrying mirror works similarly but your getting the added benefit of using the energy of the physical elements that make up the mirror and that you add to it, it adds oomph to the process and also allows you to work with the the energy of those elements if you choose to."

 

What exactly do you mean? I have never really got the dark mirror to work. I've read look at it with a low light and with candles. And various other things. I just don't know what to try first. I will say for that online mirror, that when I want to see what something looks like I get consistant images. If you would call it an "image". I guess these things are real in their reality anyway.

 

Bill

[Karl]

Dark/black mirrors don't really work well, despite what "shops" will tell you (to make more money).

 

You have to look at old mirrors, find one that feels "loose" or "fluid" to you, like the surface of it immediately starts to feel like water when you look at it. It may or may not actually ripple or wave or move visually, but it can feel like it.

 

The best ones are ones which are old and had a lot of use, like bathroom and hallway mirrors. I prefer medium-sized ones, like a hand mirror or bigger, for convenience. Medium-sized hanging mirrors are usually the best. The very best ones for scrying are old silver mirrors, from before the 30s.

 

They should not have any pieces missing, but they can be cracked

[silenceseeker]

Hi Bill,

 

I'm just going to add to Karl's response. I found the scrying mirror I use most of the time in my grandparent's barn. It has a homemade frame and looks like it was used possibly as a medicine cabinet or kitchen cupboard door. It's not pretty, it was painted with the same paint they painted the cabinets with and is dingy with age now but it's really solidly built and there was something about it I just liked. The first time I used it, instead of seeing images, I heard sounds. They were the sound of dishes clinking and supper conversation, just day to day type stuff, probably my grandparents from many years ago.

 

This is the difference between using a real mirror over a virtual one. It has a history, it has absorbed the energy of its surroundings and the people that used the mirror over time. You can connect with that energy and re-live the past or learn things about it. The energy that it accumulates becomes a doorway into the past and other places not from this reality as well.

 

The virtual mirror does not have this physical connection. i tried out the mirror that you gave the link to. It works. I'm pretty impressed with how it does work without the physical aspect but in this case you are not really connecting to anything in its history, except maybe the intent of the person who created the virtual scrying tool. So it works and it actually shows that you moved pretty well because I think it would be harder to move this way. If you want to continue to use it, I would suggest setting a strong intention of what you want to see or know before using it and it should help with results.

 

So you see, what mirror you use does make a difference. If the black mirror you have was bought new, it doesn't have much history to it yet. All the years of people looking into mirrors adds to the energy of it as an object so the high use ones as Karl pointed out are usually best because they have 'lived' through so much.

 

Below is a link to a mirror scrying article on this site that goes into more detail. I'm not sure if you've seen it yet or not?

 

 

http://www.shamanscave.com/practices/mirror-scrying

 

 

Lorrie

[Beverly]

I'm loving this thread. Thanks to Bill for the initial question.

It was internet research on mirrors which brought me to this site in the first place.

 

I had been called from Mexico, where I was an itinerant farm worker on a vineyard, up to the states at the fervent behest of a woman I'd met some months earlier when I was living in some woods near Santa Cruz.

She was weird as weird can get. I say 'was' because two weeks after I arrived in her home, she died. It was very intense in the few months that follwed, staying in her house, doing clean up.

Her bathroom mirrors were the freakiest mirrors I had ever encountered, and I had to cover them when I was in the bathroom, or feel like I was radically altered and really unable to be calm and feel intact. I'm stronger now than I was, and would be interested to see them again, having read what I read here.

 

I have soooo many questions now.

 

But here's a couple.

 

So, seems to me that if an old mirror used by regular folk is a good one, an old mirror used by folk who are weird would have a stronger impact?

 

Would an old mirror used by weird folk have stuff programmed in it already?

 

Would same mirror possibly reflect any abilities or mind positions?

 

I know that I learned from this weird lady about having what I call 'one big eye', seeing it on her, like one of her eyes was much bigger than the other to my sight, but not in 'reality', and that when I looked in these mirrors, I could see the same in myself. And now, over a year later, it makes sense to me in other ways. But, was seeing that in the mirror, seeing her perceptions reflected? Or did the mirror help to show more of stuff, because she may have worked with it so?

 

It was wanting to learn about this mirror that brought me here. I'm glad I found this place.

 

Y'all are great.

 

B

[Karl]

So, seems to me that if an old mirror used by regular folk is a good one, an old mirror used by folk who are weird would have a stronger impact?

Not necessarily. For scrying mirrors, you want mirrors that are looked in very frequently, so they are kind of "broken in", or fluid. That's why things like bathroom and hallway mirrors tend to be the best. Just being old doesn't mean it will be fluid.

 

Would an old mirror used by weird folk have stuff programmed in it already?

It's possible, depending on how they used it. If it was just a regular mirror (in terms of use), it would be less likely but not impossible. People can 'imprint' the mirrors with their energy, or any objects, through their intent, like shaping it.

 

Would same mirror possibly reflect any abilities or mind positions?

Maybe, but then it won't feel fluid or easy to use. Which is a good reason not to use a mirror for scrying - you want ones which are pliable and easy, not pulling you already in particular directions.

 

I know that I learned from this weird lady about having what I call 'one big eye', seeing it on her, like one of her eyes was much bigger than the other to my sight, but not in 'reality', and that when I looked in these mirrors, I could see the same in myself. And now, over a year later, it makes sense to me in other ways. But, was seeing that in the mirror, seeing her perceptions reflected? Or did the mirror help to show more of stuff, because she may have worked with it so?

I think that mirror just altered your perception a bit, let you see things a bit differently, kind of like a wind blowing you in a particular direction somewhat. Maybe it was more than any altered perception might start showing you those particular things (being not normal) than the particular mirror and energy of it. However, it could also be that your perception was 'bending' in the same way hers does in using it or being around it, which kind of makes it a little more like a self-image thing for her. You might have just been seeing it that way because that's the way the information makes sense to you (even if it's crazy)

 

-karl

[Beverly]

((Karl))

 

Thanks. That's good info to go on.

 

B

[Tama]

It is possible yes, to use other implimnets for scrying other then just mirrors, correct?

[kai]

 

It is possible yes, to use other implimnets for scrying other then just mirrors, correct?

 

Yes, though mirrors are good to begin with since they are contained and easier to control than some other methods. In the end it's just a tool, sort of like training wheels. Not that you can't do powerful things with a mirror - you can, but by the time you should be able to do them without the mirror as well, or it has become a limitation for you.

 

Kai

[sandstorm333]

How interesting. Scrying, never heard of it. Dont know anything about it. Bu the last couple of years I have been drawn towards mirrors. If I wasnt moving so much, i would have taken down everythingelse from the walls and covered them with mirrors. Im constantly searching in secondhand shops for old mirrors. They have to be the really old ones and regret having given away a mirror from the sevententh century that i once had. One day I felt the urge to break a mirror, so I found a small one and smashed it to peaces and put the peaces in a jar. That jar of broken mirror bits reperesented to me my past and was a reminder to all the work I was doing and all the positive changes that was happening in understanding, healing and gluing my broken mirror, me, together. Then I did not need it any more and threw it away. At the moment I want my walls to be empty, no mirrors, nothing. But tell me more! By what you tell me I will feel and if I feel this is something for me, I will do. Im so glad I found this site. I cant stand flakiness and there is nothing flaky about this site. Am I the only one that feels that Shamanism has to be as little about money as possible, that numbers, money, has to be treated carefully in this kind of thinking? There are charges for courses but I did not get the sence, I normally do, that its to much about the money and a need to be seen and noticed on top of that. A very god site, This is a difficult question but to me, to be a Shaman can not be about money. The help to survive has to be given in another way. Having predicted the future with the help of numbers I have settled down with a seriously healthy respect for numbers. Yet again I ranted and raved off in another direction. Back to scrying. Im curious.

[silenceseeker]

Hello Sandstorm,

 

Welcome to Shamanscave. Scrying is a very old practice and can be a very powerful tool. We work with energy directly mostly here and so even though we do scry and use some tools, it's not the main focus. That being said, scrying and other tools can be very valuable in helping you to train your seeing as well as be used as doorways for various purposes. There is an article about it on the site you can read if you like: http://www.shamanscave.com/practices/mirror-scrying and try out for yourself with one of your many mirrors. However, if you use a mirror you have, it's best if you 'retire' it from its place on the wall and keep it safe somewhere just for your scrying purposes so I wouldn't use one that you want to keep out.

 

Regarding this site and money, etc: Yes, you won't find any flakiness or fluff here. This site is not about making itself a commodity or trying to establish itself as the source for shamanic teaching. This is a site that teaches the Maker tradition, it's the real deal and you will learn a genuine, unbroken shamanic tradition of western European origin if you go through the training. There is an energy here that some people feel a resonance with - almost a sense of 'home.' These are the ones that generally stay for the duration. For others, people that are seeing self-healing, they will usually take several classes and heal to the point that they feel okay with themselves and then move on.

 

'Money,' itself is not the problem, it's the emotional attachments that we humans put on it that create problems. There's nothing wrong with having money As you said, it's necessary to survive and there's nothing wrong with being comfortable. So, it's not so much about treating "money carefully in this type of thinking," as gaining detachment from your emotional connections with money. When you get to a place where you are acting from your core, who you really are, your life will be driven by your own personal intent. Once you gain that, it really doesn't matter how much or how little money you have.

 

Thanks for the compliments on the site,

 

Lorrie

[sandstorm333]

Hi Lorrraine,

Dont mind my English to much(type of thinking). Swedish is my language and I always end up sounding like a rightious bore when I write in English. Struggling to find ways to express myself in a language I only picked up in latter years is a pain. There is so much on my mind as my journey has been a solitary one and Im only starting to find ways to make it less so and also less egocentral so I will probably write a lot and thought I better add this.

 

kind regard Sofia

[silenceseeker]

Hi Sofia,

 

You do not come off as a righteous bore, so no worries. We look forward to hearing your thoughts.

 

Lorrie

[Karl]

you sound great in english

 

-karl

[sandstorm333]

Hi Karl,

You should hear me. My English accent is a mix of Swedish and Irish. Apparently I sound rather amusing according to some friends. To be sure, to be sure.

sofia

[Karl]

As long as you liberally sprinkle in curse words, you'll sound authentic