Tama Posted August 19, 2015 Posted August 19, 2015 I find both of these topic very interesting. I would love to hear others opinions and expereinces with both. Quote
silenceseeker Posted August 20, 2015 Posted August 20, 2015 Hello Tama, I have to admit, although I know how to shapeshift, it's not something I practice regularly or have accomplished in a really complete way. It takes a tremendous amount of energy to do but the knowledge you gain is very valuable. Portals, I'm not quite sure what you are referring to. If you mean moving to different times and worlds, well, linear time is just an illusion anyway so if you can experience time and space as all at once, it's kind of one big portal. Sorry for the vagueness, these are big subjects so I'm not too sure where you are focusing with your question. Lorrie Quote
cyfnos Posted August 21, 2015 Posted August 21, 2015 I think that some people are more drawn to it than others and better gifted for it than others, the same way you have natural seers, stalkers, healers, dreamers, deathwalkers, there are also natural shapeshifters. They are usually pretty scary, wild, not so much drawn to conversations, to the point, a bit like nature is, it's nothing personal, it's just the way it is. Lots of people think it is sexy and romanticize it, well it is not, you have to move quite far from humanity to do it and it can be at great personal cost, it is a lonely position from the human point of view, the other side of the coin is of course a deep understanding of nature and movements of your own energy, it is great knowldege so in my opinion it is worth it but it changes you on a fundamental level and you have to be prepared to accept the responsibility of those changes. C Quote
janacreativity Posted October 30, 2015 Posted October 30, 2015 I had some really strange experiences with otherwordly as a little girl and being aware of "ghosts" or late night music from the 1920's blaring from the water heater and cat paw prints that disappeared into the wooden floor and things like that. Spending some time living back in the home I grew up in and having other energetically sensitive and intuitive friends be aware that there was a lot going on in this house (one friend who came over and went to the bathroom near this water heater/closet - said she felt like she heard a symphony of voices going off in her head). I had a sense that the so called space heater was a portal - a entry point between dimensions? (using some tools from access consciousness) - I always hated that my bedroom was right next to it growing up- now I wasn't really sure what I was doing but using my intent and energy and doing the best I could with the awareness I had - I asked to close it and a lot of the "activity" in my home slowed down and stopped. It's still all a big mystery to me. But then again - everything is these days. The more aware I become, the stranger everything seems to be and less I pretend to understand anything. I'd be curious to learn more about "portals" from the maker tradition too. Is it even part of the lexicon or understanding? Quote
Karl Posted October 30, 2015 Posted October 30, 2015 There's locations where the energy tends to shift you, move you to a different perception - You can call them portals if you want to be fancy. I think we focus more on learning to shift our own perception, but it's still interesting to explore locations where there's some energy which does it. Quote
janacreativity Posted October 30, 2015 Posted October 30, 2015 Hmmmm... Ok, I will digest this Karl. I'm sure I'll come to understand this more in time. On that note, I've also noticed that there are particular people whose energy tends to shift me and affect me more dramatically than others. Its interesting why some people I maintain my energy around and some people I tend to contract around (although this happens less and less these days) and some people my energy totally scrambles around or I go "spacey" and out of my body (although that happens less and less these days too). And sometimes teh same people on different days or with different groups or "combinations of energy" or in different places or at different times can trigger different energetic responses... It's fascinating to notice. I've been aware of this my whole life but my awareness around it is broadening. Still a darn mystery to me... I'm learning to have reverence for the mystery instead of needing to "figure it all out." Quote
sandstorm333 Posted October 31, 2015 Posted October 31, 2015 When someone meets me Im very real and I know Im loved and liked, But then its the strangest thing and it took years to accept it and even learn to like it, this way. I realised that when i wasnt present in person anymore it was like I did not exist in their mind anymore. Hard to explain. Also people will not from time to time, who know me well, recognise me. Its like I who look exactly the same,in their eyes look like someone else. I get very close to animals in the forest. I often thought I would make a brilliant spy if it wasnt for my complete inability to lie. Im tired of trying to understand, but Im really loving to read others lifeexperiences and for the first time charing some of mine. I live in a country where it is totaly tabu to be in any way different and keep a very low profile so finally ending up on this site and reading and recognising and seing things differently gives me a sence of calm and happiness. Quote
Karl Posted October 31, 2015 Posted October 31, 2015 Hmmmm... Ok, I will digest this Karl. I'm sure I'll come to understand this more in time. On that note, I've also noticed that there are particular people whose energy tends to shift me and affect me more dramatically than others. Its interesting why some people I maintain my energy around and some people I tend to contract around (although this happens less and less these days) and some people my energy totally scrambles around or I go "spacey" and out of my body (although that happens less and less these days too). And sometimes teh same people on different days or with different groups or "combinations of energy" or in different places or at different times can trigger different energetic responses... It's fascinating to notice. I've been aware of this my whole life but my awareness around it is broadening. Still a darn mystery to me... I'm learning to have reverence for the mystery instead of needing to "figure it all out." Yeah, that can happen because our energy can change, even from day to day. But with more self-healing work, I think our energy tends to stabilize and not shift around so easily. (For most people) There's always certain combinations that will just hit you a certain way, where it wouldn't hit most people that way. You learn it over time, as you take in knowledge about your own energy and other people's. It's a very complex dance. Quote
sandstorm333 Posted November 1, 2015 Posted November 1, 2015 A complex dance indeed. And yes I agree that the self healing will probably change things. But, it migh sound strange, i dont wont it to change, i dont like being seen or heard. its ok here, becouse writing on a forum is to me not really real. There is no smell, touch or sight. When and if i ever figure out a way to cut of this ability to feel people i might think diffirently. Happy people is a joy, but they are so few. I dont know what its like in America but here in Sweden, I dont know what to say, my people has lost its soul and the unhappiness is deeply rooted. I lived in many other countries and never, ever, howerer bad thing has been there have I experiensed people as lost as they are here. And as I feel all the pain i stick to being not seen or noticed until Im strong enough to either be able to take it or cut of whatever it is that is happening. Any advice on this would be much appreciated. Quote
silenceseeker Posted November 1, 2015 Posted November 1, 2015 Hi Sandstorm, The way you are describing yourself sounds like an empath. If you are not familiar with the term, empaths take on other people's emotions, feeling them as if they were their own. Solitude for empaths is often the only way to disconnect from the world and reconnect with their own feelings. If you can learn to be detached when around people and not take things on, being an empath can actually be a wonderful gift. The key to being able to detach is to know what's yours and what's not. There is not a simple fix for this, it requires self-healing, such as the Recapitulation exercise here: http://www.shamanscave.com/self-healing/the-recapitulation Once you have healed and recovered energy from your own emotional connections that you've created throughout your life, you will be better able to remain detached from those in the world around you. You will see them for what they are in their own context and be free to choose whether to act on them or not. I know other practices advise putting up bubbles of protection or energetic shields but to me, these methods don't really do anything to address the core of the problem. Lorrie Quote
kai Posted November 1, 2015 Posted November 1, 2015 Happy people is a joy, but they are so few. I dont know what its like in America but here in Sweden, I dont know what to say, my people has lost its soul and the unhappiness is deeply rooted. I lived in many other countries and never, ever, howerer bad thing has been there have I experiensed people as lost as they are here. I think when you are functioning in another culture than the one you were raised with, it's a bit easier to gain an additional degree of separation from other people - you connect with them from a slightly different place than with the people from your own culture, and the cultular 'pressure' doesn't connect in the heart of your energy as deeply. Your perception is a bit different and it's at least a little easier to remain centered in yourself and as a result you look at the world through different eyes. Likewise, because you don't come from the same culture as the other people, they connect with you a bit differently, with a little less, or at least different expectations. In your own culture you share some of the basic hurts and wounds with most other people and as misery loves company, there you go. If you heal your energy and recover the 'hooks', you'll be able to connect with the world differently, from a position of your own choosing and by your own example you also show the possibility of healing to others as well. Kai Quote
sandstorm333 Posted November 1, 2015 Posted November 1, 2015 Ive started the recapitulation and something tells me it is just what I need here and now. Something interesting happend when i first tried. Thoughts came to me to not go into the memories as such but to look into the eyes of the people conserned and do the movements. I will stick to this and see what happens. Its interesting how everything seems to be about eyes suddenly as i realised that it was time for my soul to heal. And conserning people who drains, the worst ones, the ones that brings up such anger inside me, anger drains, the warning signs there, are the fact that I have to force myself to look into their eyes. As I read what you all write its like certain things starts to fall into place. I dont join Forums, but glad I did this time. So now im onto eyes. Think I will make it a new topic. Quote
janacreativity Posted November 9, 2015 Posted November 9, 2015 Thank you Karl. "But with more self-healing work, I think our energy tends to stabilize and not shift around so easily. (For most people) There's always certain combinations that will just hit you a certain way, where it wouldn't hit most people that way. You learn it over time, as you take in knowledge about your own energy and other people's. It's a very complex dance." I'm grateful for that response. Thank you. (Ha ha ha - I tend to get a little lost in the cave forum and forget where I posted - its like a game finding what threads I've posted on and asked questions on and remembering to come back to review them). Sandstorm 333 - to piggy back off of what Lorrie said - I self identify as an empath. Now looking back it helps explain a lot of what felt so confusing and hard and chaotic in this lifetime (b/c it wasn't even my energy) and like "energetic co-dependency." Life basically took me to the point of a big health breakdown a couple years ago where I was shown I had to learn to relate to my energy and energy in general in new ways. I'm new to the cave and by no means an expert but I'm so happy to share my experiences to help empower other empaths if you have questions. I've finally come to the point in my life where I see and can use my gifts as gifts rather than a curse. Recap 1 is wonderful for learning to care and be compassionate but from a detached place (versus entangled) place. From my awareness there is a lot of pain and suffering in this world. Sometimes (for me) it has felt like I was going crazy with the awareness of it all but its gotten easier in time. There is a lot of beauty, love and joy to perceive too. All of it feels easier to be aware of from a more detached place. Learning to re-ground and re-center within my own body has been a big part of my journey too. I used to fly out of my body all the time to feel safe but thats actually a dis-empowered place to be. Learning to feel safe in my body and grounding and connecting to the earth (sometimes just being barefoot on the earth or lying on it) has and continues to be a huge part of my journey as well. Water, sea-salt baths, ocean, spending time in nature and with animals, spending time alone (like Lorrie said), using art and creativty to express what I feel - are life savers for me. Part of it for me has also been learning to accept I am different and embrace the "weirdness" of who I am -which is a daily and lifetime practice. Step by step. I am learning to be an empowered empath ... It is possible. Also practices where I've come to relate to my body in a safe and joyous way have been wonderful too. Learning to let myself move slower through life has been good too. I also find that I'm extra senstive to substances - processed food, alcohol, sugar, fake sugar, tobacco, coffee, gluten - again this maybe part of how I'm made or it may be an energetic pattern that will change with recap but its been something to play with and see what helps me to feel better. Also - as an aside, being female - I find my "empath" nature gets more porous and psychically aware around certain moon cycles. I make sure to give myself extra "space" during those times. This may change with more recapping - we shall see. I hope this helps! Quote
Karl Posted November 10, 2015 Posted November 10, 2015 You're welcome! Being empathic is tough, but much of that is we make it tough. We humans don't do a very good job of handling emotional energy, whether ours or others. It's a tough thing to learn, but very valuable and practical. For the empathy, specifically, learning to separate out what is ours and what is not ours is the key, but a long journey to that point. A good starting point is to see it not as a super gift nor a dead weight in our lives, but something which is just how we're put together. Then we can learn to work with it as part of us. Empathy as an energy and the reality of living with it is a topic which a lot of people write about, and a lot of people don't help much with - despite all the writing about it. Practical advice is important. Quote
janacreativity Posted November 10, 2015 Posted November 10, 2015 Some really good points Karl. Practical advice is important indeed. Thank you again! Quote
Joey1058 Posted November 1, 2016 Posted November 1, 2016 As an empath, I learned early on that I must tune out or i'll be consumed. Thusly I've been accused often of not paying attention, up to not caring. Obviously not true. I filter daily. I must. Or my thought patterns go to mush and I'm an emo wreck by the end of my day. As for portals? They exist everywhere. The ones we experience are most likely "superhighways". The millions of others are quiet "country roads", that exist like portraits on a wall. Being able to shut one down is a rather unique gift. As an empath, I tend to avoid portals as well. I have at least one in the house I live in currently. Most beings that pass through that I acknowledge, I'll invite to wait in the yard, or return the way that they came. Quote
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