Allies and payback

[Ali]

Hello all

 

I've been having a few questions on using allies and how the maker tradition tends to not use them because of the necessary payback that is involved.

 

I'm going to be doing an Ayuascha ceremony soon, and am wondering about all of this.

 

And when it comes to food as an ally, how are we giving back with that? I'm not sure I understand this concept very well, any input will absolutely help!

 

 

[ralph]

Hi Ali,

 

Payback is a big word and I understand it can be scary. I'll try to develop a little about plants.

 

First of all, when you take a plant like ayahuasca, there's a form of agreement occuring, you will touch the awareness of the plant and it will touch yours. The trade is something like energy for knowledge. The makers spend a fair amount of time retreaving their energy through recap and becoming sober about it in stalking, so every experience involving a trade of energy will not be considered lightly. That doesn't mean it is forbidden or that we strongly advise people against it. Just be aware of what you do.

 

The second part is about freedom and independance. Using plants is a valid way to move your energy and shift your perception. It has been used for centuries in various traditions. It may be an easier way to get great insight and experiences, but in the end the experience and achievement is not completely yours, since you're using external help. We makers like to own the things we do and not rely so much on tools or external help. It doesn't mean tools can't be used, it means it's better to be able to move also without them.

 

Finally, the plant tends to give a particular color to the experiences you make so you can't really built neutral references. One question will always remain, was my perception genuine or was it the plant messing with me, even just a little.

 

If you're going to an ayahusaca ceremony soon, what you learned in the cave can help improve your experience with it.

 

- Try to be detached and emotionally neutral.

- Set a clear intent about what you want from the experience.

 

Dream well,

Ralph

[Ali]

Thanks Ralph,

 

I have somewhat of a personal issue here trying to keep agreements. I'm somewhat struggling with it and seems to me I just need to rise above myself sometimes, but that feels wrong sometimes it seems too emotional, my latest observation is to keep listening to the body more and more... that the my body is the key to realising the 'right time' to be when and where...

 

I understand this idea "was it real or was it the plant messing with me"

 

it's been a struggle trying to keep my agreements and I'm constantly faced with obstacles demotivating me away from them.

 

I read recently on the forum about shapeshifting, how the life of a shapeshifter is set in loneliness... I've seen things in my life that would make me a natural, playing guitar for a while and seeing my fingers grow thinner and longer ~ ex. is that something that can happen to anyone or am I bent in this way? Man there are so many questions and I don't know if all them to be asked is absolutely necessary, so thank you Ralph